The sky is falling!

[TrippyTom]

I was just told our office is going to try to upgrade to Windows Vista AND Office 2007 by mid 2008!
:eek:

While this makes me very excited, I hope they don't do it at the same time!

[malik641]

If you thought you're coworkers didn't know how to use computers before...

[mvidas]

http://www.hastalavidas.com/onozomg.gif

[Oorang]

Dude, I just broke out into a cold sweat.

[Jacob Hilderbrand]

We're probably not switching until 09 thankfully. Tho I should be able to get a test machine setup this year.

[TrippyTom]

I have 2003 on my laptop (for testing things at work), 2007 on my desktop, and I just recently got a mac with Office 2004 (upgrading to 2008 soon).

I'm curious to see how applescript is going to change the face of Office in 2008.

[Simon Lloyd]

I have just purchased a laptop with windows vista home premium and office 2007, just a couple of words for you folks............DON'T DO IT!

Vista is slow and constantly asks you if the selection or action you made is correct, office 2007 is far slower than 2003, the design concept has been scraped together by a mad man!, nothing in the menu's are in their original place some things have gone altogether and some things dont have the functionality they used to.....give yourself a test, get hold of a copy or trial version of office 2007, you are all very profficient using Excel, insert a new worksheet, give it some data, use "Define a name" to give a range a name (don't cheat using the formula bar!), why not add a command button to the worksheet using the menubar, now record a macro to use with the button....i could go on!, the menu bar is ill concieved and devised, everyone who has ever used excel and thinks oooh great move up to the next version will have difficulty using it....!

I will give both Vista and Office 2007 another month or so but i truly feel i'm gonna get rid and go back to XP and 2003 they were fast, fairly reliable and easy to work with!

[Jacob Hilderbrand]

I tried Office Vista several months back. I really liked Outlook, but Excel and Word, not so much. Also I had 1GB RAM and it was not enough as the apps ran way too slow.

From what I understand of Vista OS it checks what you are doing constantly for DRM mainly, and that takes tons of the processor and RAM away from things you actually want to do.

[mdmackillop]

I got a new pc recently (duo CPU + 1GB Ram) with Vista and installed Office 2007. In working on a spreadsheet 440 rows x 60 columns in a 5Mb file, I can't insert a column. I get a warning about moving a lot of cells, then it says I don't have enough resources. Solution? Save the workbook as 97-2003 version.

[Simon Lloyd]

Yep Malcom it really does suck!, now even with cache's cleared nothing in recents and my prefetch file decimated it still yakes a good 15 seconds or so to open an application.....if i can find my copy of XP Vista is getting the bullet.....in fact i feel that strongly about it i'm gonna rip the authentication sticker of the bottom of my laptop and mail it to MS and tell them where they can stick it!

[Zack Barresse]

Well, while I'm not a big proponent of Vista, it has its pros and cons. You can turn off the administrator questions you get asked. It is somewhat klunky, and I do like it, but I prefer XP as well.

I wouldn't go back to Office 2003 though, I like 2007 very much. I don't have a problem with memory or speed personally. And every control in 2003 is available in 2007. All of the keyboard shortcuts are exactly the same. You don't have all of the commands defaulted to the Ribbon, but they are available to put on the QAT, or you can program your own. I don't like some things about the Ribbon, the charting is somewhat hampered, and the Tables are kind of a bear sometimes, but the pivot tables, formulas, conditional formatting and other tools are (again, IMHO) worth it. Not a huge jump, but comparable from 97-2000 for me. Good stuff, maybe not a definite upgrade though. I'm really hoping for more in the next version; hoping it will be the 'complete' version that 2007 should have been (kind of like XP-to-2003).


Office Vista...
You must have meant "Office and Vista"?? B/c there is no "Office Vista". :)

[BreakfastGuy]

:wizard: Thats all it took.......and hey presto! Office Vista is no more!, peace and calm at last restored.....now where did i put my copy of Windows Xp Pro?

Gotta say chaps i can't see me upgrading any MS products for a good few years now as this last experience has left a bitter taste.

[shades]

I wouldn't go back to Office 2003 though, I like 2007 very much. I don't have a problem with memory or speed personally. And every control in 2003 is available in 2007. All of the keyboard shortcuts are exactly the same. You don't have all of the commands defaulted to the Ribbon, but they are available to put on the QAT, or you can program your own. I don't like some things about the Ribbon, the charting is somewhat hampered, and the Tables are kind of a bear sometimes, but the pivot tables, formulas, conditional formatting and other tools are (again, IMHO) worth it. Not a huge jump, but comparable from 97-2000 for me. Good stuff, maybe not a definite upgrade though. I'm really hoping for more in the next version; hoping it will be the 'complete' version that 2007 should have been (kind of like XP-to-2003).



Zack, according to Jon Peltier, F4 (to repeat previous action) no longer works in 2007. Can you verify? Or is it only not working with charts?

[Zack Barresse]

F4 still works, but it has been hampered, and not all things work the same.

[Bob Phillips]

It works but lots of repeatable actions have been lost.

[shades]

Thanks, guys.

I am looking at installing Windows on my new MacBook Pro 15", and would consider installing Office, but wasn't sure which version of each would be best.

[Bob Phillips]

Unless you really have a need for some of the new functionality of 2007, or just want to play/familiarise with it, I would stick to 2003 personally at least until Office 14.

[Zack Barresse]

Unless you really have a need for some of the new functionality of 2007, or just want to paly/familiarise with it, I would stick to 2003 personally at leat until Office 14.
My sentiments exactly. There are indeed very nice features of 2007 - features I absolutely love - but there are things about it... oh, one of these days Alice. POW! Right in the kisser! ROFL! :rotlaugh:

I'm looking forward to Office 14 as well. Hoping for some great improvements. :yes

[shades]

Yeah, but by then, I may be pushing up daisies instead of computer keys. :D

[Oorang]

I hate to be a nay sayer, and I have held off saying this for a very long time because I really do like Microsoft products. But Microsoft's two huge initiatives "Trusted Computing" and "Software as a Service" are running counter to customer demands. To the point they are running customers off.
People wanted easy to create code that allowed them low-level control over the enviroment when they wanted and high level control when they didn't. Viola "VB". Then Microsoft realized it wanted it to be a lot harder to create hostile code... Violia".net". Nevermind what the customers wanted, nevermind the petitions, the customers are going to eat what are serving up, and they will like it. Fine, there are some decent advantages to managed code, and the object oriented advances are nice. I can live with it.
But it didn't stop there. No. Microsoft decides to improve sales for SQL server. We need more database server marketshare. Hey I've got an idea! Let's force our customers to upgrade by abdoning Access's user level security. Then when they what to do something multiuser they can't do it on the cheap. Fine. SQL is lot faster and way more secure. Great. I guess I can shell out a little more money.
But wait! Microsoft realizes that once you buy a product you never have to give them money again and if they try to force crap down your throat you can just keep the product that was actually good that you already paid for. Introduce "Software as a Service". Our customers can now rent their software instead of owning.

And so on and so on.

Don't me wrong, I love Microsoft's products. They are powerful and easy to use. But if there was another company that made comparable product and would actually listen to me as a customer...

In conclusion.. Everytime I hear about how slow everyone is to adopt Vista... I don't wonder why at all.